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		<title>By: Matt Badham</title>
		<link>http://ash10.com/2008/06/getting-the-naysayers-on-side/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Badham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Double doh!

My comment WAS for that article, written by you.

But I also sent the article linked to in the Where Do People Find the Time? post round as well, because I thought that was also excellent.

Do you know what, Pete. Delete these comments would you? You pro&#039; blog looked all professional and swanky until I started using the comments function.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Double doh!</p>
<p>My comment WAS for that article, written by you.</p>
<p>But I also sent the article linked to in the Where Do People Find the Time? post round as well, because I thought that was also excellent.</p>
<p>Do you know what, Pete. Delete these comments would you? You pro&#8217; blog looked all professional and swanky until I started using the comments function.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Badham</title>
		<link>http://ash10.com/2008/06/getting-the-naysayers-on-side/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Badham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know how I put it on the wrong blog post, but that comment was meant for the Where Do People Find the Time? post, not this one.

Doh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how I put it on the wrong blog post, but that comment was meant for the Where Do People Find the Time? post, not this one.</p>
<p>Doh!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Badham</title>
		<link>http://ash10.com/2008/06/getting-the-naysayers-on-side/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Badham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a very interesting article.

I think I&#039;m going to send that link to a whole bunch of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a very interesting article.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m going to send that link to a whole bunch of people.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Ashton</title>
		<link>http://ash10.com/2008/06/getting-the-naysayers-on-side/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Ashton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James,

Thanks for the comment. It&#039;s prompting many thoughts about all this but for now I&#039;ll just like to this post by Clay Shirky which this reminded me of:

http://www.herecomeseverybody.org/2008/04/looking-for-the-mouse.html

The key passage is:

&lt;blockquote&gt;So I tell her all this stuff, and I think, &quot;Okay, we&#039;re going to have a conversation about authority or social construction or whatever.&quot; That wasn&#039;t her question. She heard this story and she shook her head and said, &quot;Where do people find the time?&quot; That was her question. And I just kind of snapped. And I said, &quot;No one who works in TV gets to ask that question. You know where the time comes from. It comes from the cognitive surplus you&#039;ve been masking for 50 years.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But the whole thing is worth reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment. It&#8217;s prompting many thoughts about all this but for now I&#8217;ll just like to this post by Clay Shirky which this reminded me of:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.herecomeseverybody.org/2008/04/looking-for-the-mouse.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.herecomeseverybody.org/2008/04/looking-for-the-mouse.html</a></p>
<p>The key passage is:</p>
<blockquote><p>So I tell her all this stuff, and I think, &#8220;Okay, we&#8217;re going to have a conversation about authority or social construction or whatever.&#8221; That wasn&#8217;t her question. She heard this story and she shook her head and said, &#8220;Where do people find the time?&#8221; That was her question. And I just kind of snapped. And I said, &#8220;No one who works in TV gets to ask that question. You know where the time comes from. It comes from the cognitive surplus you&#8217;ve been masking for 50 years.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>But the whole thing is worth reading.</p>
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		<title>By: James Yarker</title>
		<link>http://ash10.com/2008/06/getting-the-naysayers-on-side/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>James Yarker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Pete,

Thank you for giving my tub-thumping piece brain-space. Your response is eloquent and considered. Clearly I am kind of on-board with your project and you&#039;re kind of on-board with mine.

Obviously the Stan&#039;s Cafe website is important to us and the blog is a useful tool. We even have a secret on-line company bulletin board to try and keep a sense of cohesion in our loose association. As you cling to the analogue delights of chatting to people in a pub so I&#039;ve long since ceased to sit with my Shaffer Medium-Right Oblique and pen letters in the analogue form.

So you may well ask, if I am signed up to a digital world why go Nuclear Option in the article? Well, where&#039;s the fun in caveats? What&#039;s the point in a provocation piece without being provocative? If I weren&#039;t so playful maybe you wouldn&#039;t have been moved to respond and we wouldn&#039;t be having this &#039;conversation&#039;. A conversation aptly leaping from newsprint to blog.

I make my living creating live events, I&#039;m fighting my corner, I&#039;m defending my livelyhood. In fact, more seriously, I&#039;m defending the diversity of our culture. Something we both value.

Keep up the good work. We will.

Best wishes

James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pete,</p>
<p>Thank you for giving my tub-thumping piece brain-space. Your response is eloquent and considered. Clearly I am kind of on-board with your project and you&#8217;re kind of on-board with mine.</p>
<p>Obviously the Stan&#8217;s Cafe website is important to us and the blog is a useful tool. We even have a secret on-line company bulletin board to try and keep a sense of cohesion in our loose association. As you cling to the analogue delights of chatting to people in a pub so I&#8217;ve long since ceased to sit with my Shaffer Medium-Right Oblique and pen letters in the analogue form.</p>
<p>So you may well ask, if I am signed up to a digital world why go Nuclear Option in the article? Well, where&#8217;s the fun in caveats? What&#8217;s the point in a provocation piece without being provocative? If I weren&#8217;t so playful maybe you wouldn&#8217;t have been moved to respond and we wouldn&#8217;t be having this &#8216;conversation&#8217;. A conversation aptly leaping from newsprint to blog.</p>
<p>I make my living creating live events, I&#8217;m fighting my corner, I&#8217;m defending my livelyhood. In fact, more seriously, I&#8217;m defending the diversity of our culture. Something we both value.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work. We will.</p>
<p>Best wishes</p>
<p>James</p>
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